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	<title>Comments on: HANG TUAH is not a HERO for Melayu</title>
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	<description>An audacious attempt to repudiate shallow minds..</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: juzsouknow</title>
		<link>http://www.vkalai.com/hangtuah/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>juz so u know, a person who's religion is hindu does not necessarily mean he is an Indian. My father's an indian and hes a muslim. juz like a chinese can be muslim, a malay can also be buddhist or hindu. thats the trouble with malaysian i ecounter nowdays, they dont even know the difference between a RELIGION and RACE. sERIOUSLY, HUMAN ARE SO IGNORANT!!! even if parameswara a hindu's, doent mean hes an indian, he could be malay, chinese or caucasian for all we know (course, im jjuz joking about the caucasion part).
&lt;strong&gt; thank u for ur comment. A good argument. But look up the history. Parameswara happens to be a hindu and INdian but dats not what my topic is about. &lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>juz so u know, a person who&#8217;s religion is hindu does not necessarily mean he is an Indian. My father&#8217;s an indian and hes a muslim. juz like a chinese can be muslim, a malay can also be buddhist or hindu. thats the trouble with malaysian i ecounter nowdays, they dont even know the difference between a RELIGION and RACE. sERIOUSLY, HUMAN ARE SO IGNORANT!!! even if parameswara a hindu&#8217;s, doent mean hes an indian, he could be malay, chinese or caucasian for all we know (course, im jjuz joking about the caucasion part).<br />
<strong> thank u for ur comment. A good argument. But look up the history. Parameswara happens to be a hindu and INdian but dats not what my topic is about. </strong></p>
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		<title>By: AnakMelayu yg buduh</title>
		<link>http://www.vkalai.com/hangtuah/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>AnakMelayu yg buduh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cìna atau melayu xpenting tp cara k0 ckp mcm malaysia ni cina yg punye..malaysia ni milik kite bersama..knapa mesti k0 nk babitkn bngsa melayu dlm cter k0?melayu xkacau cina..k0 over lak,.lantak r hang tuah 2 cine ke,india ke owg len xkesah,k0 sje je nk wt bngsa cine n malay brgad0h,.u better live in hell..

&lt;strong&gt; I really like ur mentality. "MALAYsia milik Kita bersama.." i did not say MAlaysia belongs to the chinese but facts are there are proof that Hang Tuah maybe a chinese decendant.Ko baca ar betul2 dulu baru komen bukan main type jer.. Skrg sapa yg kecoh ko ke aku ? Lantak aku la nak tulis apa pun.. Dah nama blog aku.. Ko sapa nak tanya aku ? Ko takde nama pun. Daripada ko ckp benda yg bukan2 cuba ko cari bukti sebaliknya.. Takyah ckp kosong.. &lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cìna atau melayu xpenting tp cara k0 ckp mcm malaysia ni cina yg punye..malaysia ni milik kite bersama..knapa mesti k0 nk babitkn bngsa melayu dlm cter k0?melayu xkacau cina..k0 over lak,.lantak r hang tuah 2 cine ke,india ke owg len xkesah,k0 sje je nk wt bngsa cine n malay brgad0h,.u better live in hell..</p>
<p><strong> I really like ur mentality. &#8220;MALAYsia milik Kita bersama..&#8221; i did not say MAlaysia belongs to the chinese but facts are there are proof that Hang Tuah maybe a chinese decendant.Ko baca ar betul2 dulu baru komen bukan main type jer.. Skrg sapa yg kecoh ko ke aku ? Lantak aku la nak tulis apa pun.. Dah nama blog aku.. Ko sapa nak tanya aku ? Ko takde nama pun. Daripada ko ckp benda yg bukan2 cuba ko cari bukti sebaliknya.. Takyah ckp kosong.. </strong></p>
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		<title>By: xlanxdiablox</title>
		<link>http://www.vkalai.com/hangtuah/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is why they say, history is written by victors.

how despicable these malays are that to make sure they're winning in every possible way, they are willing to even stain the history of its own people. what a fucked up people.

and people who espouse the idea of malay supremacy, let me ask you, what actually is malay? where does malay come from? parameswara? he's no malay. aborigines? they're no malay. so what exactly is malay?

i have also heard the same thing about the indians that it has been found somewhere at kedah, the fossils of human being which can be traced back to people in india. but the government decided to cover it up because they do not want indians to claim their rights.
&lt;strong&gt;kudos my fellow malaysian ! An open-minded person&lt;/strong&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is why they say, history is written by victors.</p>
<p>how despicable these malays are that to make sure they&#8217;re winning in every possible way, they are willing to even stain the history of its own people. what a fucked up people.</p>
<p>and people who espouse the idea of malay supremacy, let me ask you, what actually is malay? where does malay come from? parameswara? he&#8217;s no malay. aborigines? they&#8217;re no malay. so what exactly is malay?</p>
<p>i have also heard the same thing about the indians that it has been found somewhere at kedah, the fossils of human being which can be traced back to people in india. but the government decided to cover it up because they do not want indians to claim their rights.<br />
<strong>kudos my fellow malaysian ! An open-minded person</strong></p>
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		<title>By: hang melayu</title>
		<link>http://www.vkalai.com/hangtuah/comment-page-1/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>hang melayu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bro, if the chinese is here first why the sultanate exist ? u are one stupid {  } man,..you think chinese dynasty will leave a prosperous land just like that {      }? you know right malacca is one of the great port in the world during that time, u are one stupid dude that easily influenced by "mat salleh" article, i suggest you learn more in malaysia history rather than say that chinese have been here before malay..STUPID

&lt;strong&gt;Mr. Hang Melayu. Im jz too lazy to reply to this article but ur stupid comment had worked pass my ignorance and to reply to your comment. Kudos to you.
Before you start attacking me plz get your facts right. I know that you are a malay but You don't have to get so worked up.

Read the article first. I said Hang Tuah happen to be a Chinese. I did not say tanah Melayu was owned by the chinese. Stop embarrassing Malaysians by jumping into conclusions and making yourself look like an anserine. Keep an open mind.  Since u speak so highly upon Malacca I'm sure you do know that it was actually founded by a Hindu named Parameswara. &lt;em&gt;Nasib baik nama dia hindu terang-terang dah tau dia tu ORG INDIA&lt;/em&gt; kalau tak, Im sure our well known historian will even twist the story and tell the whole world he was born malay or Islam. And The Malacca era fell after a Malay sultan became the head not during Parameswara. Now what does that say about The Sultan u speak highly upon?.
And I also happen to excel in history in school BUT I appreciate your suggestion. But on the other hand, I think you need to brush up your English before commenting on other people's blog and attacking them.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bro, if the chinese is here first why the sultanate exist ? u are one stupid {  } man,..you think chinese dynasty will leave a prosperous land just like that {      }? you know right malacca is one of the great port in the world during that time, u are one stupid dude that easily influenced by &#8220;mat salleh&#8221; article, i suggest you learn more in malaysia history rather than say that chinese have been here before malay..STUPID</p>
<p><strong>Mr. Hang Melayu. Im jz too lazy to reply to this article but ur stupid comment had worked pass my ignorance and to reply to your comment. Kudos to you.<br />
Before you start attacking me plz get your facts right. I know that you are a malay but You don&#8217;t have to get so worked up.</p>
<p>Read the article first. I said Hang Tuah happen to be a Chinese. I did not say tanah Melayu was owned by the chinese. Stop embarrassing Malaysians by jumping into conclusions and making yourself look like an anserine. Keep an open mind.  Since u speak so highly upon Malacca I&#8217;m sure you do know that it was actually founded by a Hindu named Parameswara. <em>Nasib baik nama dia hindu terang-terang dah tau dia tu ORG INDIA</em> kalau tak, Im sure our well known historian will even twist the story and tell the whole world he was born malay or Islam. And The Malacca era fell after a Malay sultan became the head not during Parameswara. Now what does that say about The Sultan u speak highly upon?.<br />
And I also happen to excel in history in school BUT I appreciate your suggestion. But on the other hand, I think you need to brush up your English before commenting on other people&#8217;s blog and attacking them.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: mansur</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few clarifications are in order.

Arab &#38; Persian Traders before Islam have been to these parts of the world, which the Western Orientalist referred to as Nusantara and some other name, like Golden Chersonese.

Nusantara is widely regarded as a Maritime-Coastal Settlements [there is a specific term for this kind of localized authrorities].

With the coming of Islam, Muslim Traders emerged again but with a different approach.  There is some amount of "missionary" work [although vastly different from Christian Evangelical Missionaries].  

As Muslim Traders, they started off in Aceh the North Tips of Sumatra, into Kedah, and the Coastal Maritime settlements that can harbour boats.  

Chinese traders with intermediate settlements in Indo-China were frequent visitors  and exchanges took place.

It must be remembered that Muslim Traders have been to China very early during the times of Companions of Muhammad. 

After sometime, the Silk Route was joined  by the Sea Route and Muslim Traders became CONNECTED  by way of China and Indian Ocean.

China and India represent a rather Ethnic and localized religion.   Hinduism and Buddhism-Taoism-Confusianism are basically philosophical beliefs and confined largely to the specific geographical areas like India and China.

Do not confuse with their dispora, Indians and Chinese Migration which can be attributed to Western Colonization. India with British Raj and China of recent International Occupation as in Shanghai, Canton,-Hong Kong and Beijing - Opium Wars.

In any case, what is most critical is the peoples of Nusantara become the largest Muslim peoples of Non-Arab origin.

This is the crux of the matter.  The Malays, Javanese, Bugis, Minangs, Banjaris, Sundanese, Rawas, Pattanis  MUST   shed their ethnic or racial origin and identify themselves  first as Muslims.

Perhaps, to become better Muslims [including Chinese Muslims] - ie. Universal Man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few clarifications are in order.</p>
<p>Arab &amp; Persian Traders before Islam have been to these parts of the world, which the Western Orientalist referred to as Nusantara and some other name, like Golden Chersonese.</p>
<p>Nusantara is widely regarded as a Maritime-Coastal Settlements [there is a specific term for this kind of localized authrorities].</p>
<p>With the coming of Islam, Muslim Traders emerged again but with a different approach.  There is some amount of &#8220;missionary&#8221; work [although vastly different from Christian Evangelical Missionaries].  </p>
<p>As Muslim Traders, they started off in Aceh the North Tips of Sumatra, into Kedah, and the Coastal Maritime settlements that can harbour boats.  </p>
<p>Chinese traders with intermediate settlements in Indo-China were frequent visitors  and exchanges took place.</p>
<p>It must be remembered that Muslim Traders have been to China very early during the times of Companions of Muhammad. </p>
<p>After sometime, the Silk Route was joined  by the Sea Route and Muslim Traders became CONNECTED  by way of China and Indian Ocean.</p>
<p>China and India represent a rather Ethnic and localized religion.   Hinduism and Buddhism-Taoism-Confusianism are basically philosophical beliefs and confined largely to the specific geographical areas like India and China.</p>
<p>Do not confuse with their dispora, Indians and Chinese Migration which can be attributed to Western Colonization. India with British Raj and China of recent International Occupation as in Shanghai, Canton,-Hong Kong and Beijing - Opium Wars.</p>
<p>In any case, what is most critical is the peoples of Nusantara become the largest Muslim peoples of Non-Arab origin.</p>
<p>This is the crux of the matter.  The Malays, Javanese, Bugis, Minangs, Banjaris, Sundanese, Rawas, Pattanis  MUST   shed their ethnic or racial origin and identify themselves  first as Muslims.</p>
<p>Perhaps, to become better Muslims [including Chinese Muslims] - ie. Universal Man</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 10:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes..maybe Hang Tuah n friends were Chinese base on some research. Let me share what I know. Parameswara was the first sultanate of Malacca. He was from Palembang son of Srivijaya king in Sumatera. Srivijaya was a big kingdom n ruled all nusantara including the javanese , malay peninsular, philippines and etc.

Srivijaya is an old Malay kingdom and during that time their religions were Hindu. They really cruel to Javanese and when Majapahit ( javanese ) rise they attacked Srivijaya. that is the reason Parameswara ran to malacca and set up a new government. Malacca that time is still under Srivijaya territorry. Then he converted to Muslim. That is why u can see some conflict between malay n javanese today. ( Malaysia n Indonesia )

During that time there were some Malay sultanate already formed such as Terengganu, Kelantan,Kedah but they were under Siam territorry. When we talk about Melayu it is referring the people in Nusantara in Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines. Philipino also Malay but they are not Muslim.
Please refer to www.wikipedia.com


&lt;strong&gt;yes. thank you for your insight but if u really want to know its very hard to research about the Malays even in wikipedia because its not stated very clearly other than the malays were from indonesia and not even from Tanah Melayu. The origins of malaya/ tanah melayu were the orang asli. &lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes..maybe Hang Tuah n friends were Chinese base on some research. Let me share what I know. Parameswara was the first sultanate of Malacca. He was from Palembang son of Srivijaya king in Sumatera. Srivijaya was a big kingdom n ruled all nusantara including the javanese , malay peninsular, philippines and etc.</p>
<p>Srivijaya is an old Malay kingdom and during that time their religions were Hindu. They really cruel to Javanese and when Majapahit ( javanese ) rise they attacked Srivijaya. that is the reason Parameswara ran to malacca and set up a new government. Malacca that time is still under Srivijaya territorry. Then he converted to Muslim. That is why u can see some conflict between malay n javanese today. ( Malaysia n Indonesia )</p>
<p>During that time there were some Malay sultanate already formed such as Terengganu, Kelantan,Kedah but they were under Siam territorry. When we talk about Melayu it is referring the people in Nusantara in Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines. Philipino also Malay but they are not Muslim.<br />
Please refer to <a href="http://www.wikipedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikipedia.com</a></p>
<p><strong>yes. thank you for your insight but if u really want to know its very hard to research about the Malays even in wikipedia because its not stated very clearly other than the malays were from indonesia and not even from Tanah Melayu. The origins of malaya/ tanah melayu were the orang asli. </strong></p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent historical records show the Arab called Malaya as BARR Chin ( Land of Chinese). Only when British took over that the word Malay was used to describe the Nusantara people.But the word "melayu"  means differently at that time. It could mean "orang transmigran", and in Hikayat could refer to the Chinese migrant,javanese migrant, Sumatran migrant, Keling migrant etc.. The dispute between Jebat and Tuah in the Hikayat could be over change of allegiance from the Ming to Sultan Mansor Shah, to whom the small Melayu Chinese may disappear if Tuah continued to be used by the Sultan to show off Malaccan might with the help of superpower's name of the Ming (the Han or Hang in Malaccan dialect) at that time.
 The main duty of the Hang warriors is to keep the promise that Ming(Hang people)will protect the Sultanate at all cost, and they belong to that family when Hang Li Po was married. So,hands off, you invaders of Malacca.
So, the "bangsawan of Chinese"  are a minority and " akan hilang dari bumi" while  the Nusantaran people are majority at that time. It cannot ,therefore,be referring to the locals at that time.
This expression is typical in Chinese sayings, as they are the most populous people in the world and superpower during that era!So how can the Hang Melayu vanish from the face of the earth?-- so the arguments go in the mind of Tuah! But Jebat's duty to the small community's existence is commitment,loyalty and fidelity to  friends who learned martial arts from the same mahaguru(sifu).
Ever wonder why Tuah cannot harm Jebat? Jebat could have mastered "ilmu kereta kebal' or armoured qiqong in Chinese. If the story is true , it was Tuah's trickery that caught him offguard.
That was the reason he was on exile with the led -to-belief legend of Gunong Ledang Princess, created by the Istana side, to avoid reprisals from surviving martial-art classmates.

&lt;strong&gt;thx for that piece of information&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent historical records show the Arab called Malaya as BARR Chin ( Land of Chinese). Only when British took over that the word Malay was used to describe the Nusantara people.But the word &#8220;melayu&#8221;  means differently at that time. It could mean &#8220;orang transmigran&#8221;, and in Hikayat could refer to the Chinese migrant,javanese migrant, Sumatran migrant, Keling migrant etc.. The dispute between Jebat and Tuah in the Hikayat could be over change of allegiance from the Ming to Sultan Mansor Shah, to whom the small Melayu Chinese may disappear if Tuah continued to be used by the Sultan to show off Malaccan might with the help of superpower&#8217;s name of the Ming (the Han or Hang in Malaccan dialect) at that time.<br />
 The main duty of the Hang warriors is to keep the promise that Ming(Hang people)will protect the Sultanate at all cost, and they belong to that family when Hang Li Po was married. So,hands off, you invaders of Malacca.<br />
So, the &#8220;bangsawan of Chinese&#8221;  are a minority and &#8221; akan hilang dari bumi&#8221; while  the Nusantaran people are majority at that time. It cannot ,therefore,be referring to the locals at that time.<br />
This expression is typical in Chinese sayings, as they are the most populous people in the world and superpower during that era!So how can the Hang Melayu vanish from the face of the earth?&#8211; so the arguments go in the mind of Tuah! But Jebat&#8217;s duty to the small community&#8217;s existence is commitment,loyalty and fidelity to  friends who learned martial arts from the same mahaguru(sifu).<br />
Ever wonder why Tuah cannot harm Jebat? Jebat could have mastered &#8220;ilmu kereta kebal&#8217; or armoured qiqong in Chinese. If the story is true , it was Tuah&#8217;s trickery that caught him offguard.<br />
That was the reason he was on exile with the led -to-belief legend of Gunong Ledang Princess, created by the Istana side, to avoid reprisals from surviving martial-art classmates.</p>
<p><strong>thx for that piece of information</strong></p>
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		<title>By: zx22qw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how they really claim that their discovery are real.
trust me, there are many stories about the legend
and it still shrouded with mysteries
why must we happen to trust any treads that lead to racism
i don’t really care whether its chinese or any races or origins,
the thing is he served well for his country and had done his responsibilities.
and generation today quarrel about this.
what a prosperous manner to what he had wished to be done.

think wisely my friend
choose to be right for yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how they really claim that their discovery are real.<br />
trust me, there are many stories about the legend<br />
and it still shrouded with mysteries<br />
why must we happen to trust any treads that lead to racism<br />
i don’t really care whether its chinese or any races or origins,<br />
the thing is he served well for his country and had done his responsibilities.<br />
and generation today quarrel about this.<br />
what a prosperous manner to what he had wished to be done.</p>
<p>think wisely my friend<br />
choose to be right for yourself</p>
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		<title>By: zx22qw</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could you tell me were the grave was, in details.
and how they really claim that their discovery are real. trust me, there are many stories of the grave whereabouts. even the grave of malaccan royalty is not founded until now. why must we happen to trust any treads that lead to racism
even the evidence is was only give us more questioning
the best part is the first objective :-

1. To find prove and evident that show the Malays are the origins of Malaysia
and they are the first race and religion that lands their foot in Malaysia.

why should malaysian government went to all this trouble...
i choose malacca for instance, because malacca had the most riches and had international port for traders in ancient malaya land. even in history books, the first sultan of malacca is not malay, hes indonesian for crying out loud
and the first religion set in malaya archipelago according to the book was hindu

think wisely my friend
choose to be right for yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could you tell me were the grave was, in details.<br />
and how they really claim that their discovery are real. trust me, there are many stories of the grave whereabouts. even the grave of malaccan royalty is not founded until now. why must we happen to trust any treads that lead to racism<br />
even the evidence is was only give us more questioning<br />
the best part is the first objective :-</p>
<p>1. To find prove and evident that show the Malays are the origins of Malaysia<br />
and they are the first race and religion that lands their foot in Malaysia.</p>
<p>why should malaysian government went to all this trouble&#8230;<br />
i choose malacca for instance, because malacca had the most riches and had international port for traders in ancient malaya land. even in history books, the first sultan of malacca is not malay, hes indonesian for crying out loud<br />
and the first religion set in malaya archipelago according to the book was hindu</p>
<p>think wisely my friend<br />
choose to be right for yourself</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ! Hang Tuah is CHinese ! muhahhahaahah 
wonder how those UMNO will think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ! Hang Tuah is CHinese ! muhahhahaahah<br />
wonder how those UMNO will think</p>
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